Legislature(1997 - 1998)

03/12/1997 01:37 PM House FIN

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                     HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                   
                         March 12, 1997                                        
                            1:37 P.M.                                          
                                                                               
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  CALL TO ORDER                                                                
                                                                               
  Co-Chair  Therriault  called  the  House  Finance  Committee                 
  meeting to order at 1:37 p.m.                                                
                                                                               
  PRESENT                                                                      
                                                                               
  Co-Chair Hanley               Representative Kelly                           
  Co-Chair Therriault           Representative Kohring                         
  Representative Davies         Representative Martin                          
  Representative Davis          Representative Moses                           
  Representative Foster         Representative Mulder                          
  Representative Grussendorf                                                   
                                                                               
  ALSO PRESENT                                                                 
                                                                               
  Dan  Spencer,  Senior  Analyst,  Office  of  Management  and                 
  Budget,  Office  of  the  Governor;  Kim  Ross,  Alaska  Air                 
  Carriers  Association,  Anchorage;  Guy  Bell,  Director  of                 
  Administrative Services, Department of Commerce and Economic                 
  Development;   Nancy   Slagle,    Director,   Division    of                 
  Administrative  Services,  Department of  Transportation and                 
  Public Facilities; Kenneth  E. Bischoff, Director,  Division                 
  of  Administrative Services,  Department  of Public  Safety;                 
  Ross  Kinney, Deputy  Commissioner,  Department of  Revenue;                 
  Jamie Kennewick, Alaska Science and Technology  Foundation ;                 
  Annalee  McConnell,  Director,  Office  of  Management   and                 
  Budget, Office of  the Governor; Nico Bus,  Acting Director,                 
  Support Services Division, Department  of Natural Resources;                 
  Craig  Tillery, Assistant  Attorney  General, Department  of                 
  Law, Anchorage; Brenda Markey, Section Chief, Marine Highway                 
  System, Department of Transportation  and Public Facilities;                 
  Bill Schoephoester, Alaska State Chamber of Commerce.                        
                                                                               
  SUMMARY                                                                      
                                                                               
  HCR 4     Relating  to records  generated and  maintained by                 
            the Department of Health and Social Services.                      
                                                                               
            HCR  4   was   HELD  in   Committee  for   further                 
                 consideration.                                                
                                                                               
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  HB 6      "An  Act amending laws  relating to the disclosure                 
            of information relating to certain minors."                        
                                                                               
            HB   6  was   HELD   in   Committee  for   further                 
            consideration.                                                     
                                                                               
  HB 63     "An Act extending the motor fuel tax exemption for                 
            fuel sold for  use in  jet propulsion aircraft  to                 
            fuel  used  in  those aircraft  for  flights  that                 
            continue from a foreign country; and providing for                 
            an effective date."                                                
                                                                               
            HB   63   was  HELD   in  Committee   for  further                 
                 consideration.                                                
                                                                               
   HB 113    "An Act extending  lapse dates  for certain prior  year           
                  appropriations; making supplemental,  capital, and           
                  special  appropriations;  and  providing   for  an           
                  effective date."                                             
                                                                               
                  HB  113   was  HELD   in  Committee  for   further           
                  consideration.                                               
        HOUSE BILL NO. 6                                                       
                                                                               
             "An Act  amending laws  relating to  the disclosure  of           
             information relating to certain minors."                          
                                                                               
        Co-Chair Therriault provided  members with  Amendment 4 -  6           
        (copies on  file).  He explained that  the legislation would           
        be rescheduled.                                                        
                                                                               
        Representative   Davies   explained    that   Amendment    5           
        incorporates   Amendment   4   by    Representative   Kelly.           
        Representative  Davies  explained  that  Amendment  5  would           
        provide  that  disclosure  occurs if  a  formal  petition is           
        filed.   Disclosure would  not occur  for minors  undergoing           
        informal  adjudication.    The  legislation  would  identify           
        offenses that mandate a petition.                                      
                                                                               
        HB 6 was HELD in Committee for further consideration.                  
        HOUSE BILL NO. 63                                                      
                                                                               
             "An Act extending the motor fuel tax exemption for fuel           
             sold for use in jet propulsion aircraft to fuel used in           
             those aircraft for flights that continue from a foreign           
             country; and providing for an effective date."                    
                                                                               
        KIM   ROSS,   EXECUTIVE   DIRECTOR,  ALASKA   AIR   CARRIERS           
        ASSOCIATION,  ANCHORAGE  testified  via  the  teleconference           
                                                                               
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        network.  She  read from written  testimony (copy on  file).           
        She maintained that HB 63 would  provide a tax exemption for           
        a few select air carriers.   She stated that the legislation           
        could be unfair and encourage misuse and manipulation of the           
        Anchorage Foreign Trade Zone.                                          
                                                                               
        Ms.  Ross  expressed concerned  that  HB 63  would adversely           
        impact Alaska's local domestic airline  industry.  She noted           
        that the  domestic industry is  made up of  a wide range  of           
        companies, based  in Alaska,  that provide  service to  bush           
        communities and larger cities.                                         
                                                                               
        Ms. Ross asserted that if HB 63 goes into  effect, the State           
        of Alaska would lose  approximately $4 - $5 million  dollars           
        in annual  revenues.   She maintained  that this  revenue is           
        earmarked  for  rural  airport  maintenance  and  operations           
        costs.  She  alleged that this would amount to  a 25 percent           
        loss of Alaska's annual budget for operation and maintenance           
        at rural airports.                                                     
                                                                               
        Ms. Ross acknowledged  that Alaska  does not have  dedicated           
        funding, but asserted that "earmarking  funds" is a reality.           
        She  maintained  that  a  $4  -  $5 million  dollar  a  year           
        shortfall would  result in  increased "user  fees", such  as           
        airport land lease rates and landing  fees.  She stated that           
        increased costs cannot be absorbed by the domestic industry.           
        She asserted that local Alaskan operators would be forced to           
        pass on increased costs to the flying public and shippers.             
                                                                               
        Ms.  Ross  acknowledged  that:    "Our  State  is  facing  a           
        monstrous  fiscal  gap."   She  questioned  how  the general           
        public would respond if  they knew that the Legislature  was           
        considering elimination of an existing tax base.  She stated           
        that, "In essence,  our State would be  giving away $4 -  $5           
        million  dollars  in  revenue, funds  that  are  critical to           
        continued airport operations in rural Alaska."                         
                                                                               
        Ms. Ross  maintained that Kurt Parkan,  Deputy Commissioner,           
        Department of  Transportation and Public  Facilities stated,           
        before  the  House Transportation  Committee,  that $4  - $5           
        million dollars would  come out  of the General  Fund.   She           
        acknowledged that Mr.  Parkan added that there  is, "no tie,           
        no link", between  fuel tax revenues  and the Department  of           
        Transportation  and  Public  Facilities'  budget  for  rural           
        airport maintenance and operations.  She pointed out that AS           
        43.40.010(e) states:                                                   
                                                                               
                  "... proceeds  of the taxes  on aviation                     
                  fuel  shall  be  paid   into  a  special                     
                  aviation fuel  tax account in  the state                     
                  general  fund.    The   legislature  may                     
                  appropriate funds from this  account for                     
                                                                               
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                  aviation facilities."                                        
                                                                               
        Ms. Ross  observed  that CSHB  256 (TRAN),  passed in  1994,           
        added a  .07 cent  aviation fuel  tax.  She  added that  the           
        legislation's preamble stated that:                                    
                                                                               
             "The purpose  of this  Act is  to increase  the tax  on           
             aviation gasoline in an amount substantially comparable           
             to the amount that would be derived from the Department           
             of Transportation and Public Facilities reimposition of           
             landing fees at  rural state operated airports,  and to           
             leave this increased tax  in place only so long  as the           
             commissioner of Department of Transportation and Public           
             Facilities  does  not, before  January 1,  2000, impose           
             landing fees  at those airports  at a higher  rate than           
             was in effect on January 1, 1994."                                
                                                                               
        Ms.  Ross asserted that  the legislative intent  of CSHB 256           
        (TRAN)  was to provide a  funding source for "shortfalls" in           
        rural  airports  maintenance and  operations  budgets.   She           
        noted that  the 1994  fuel tax  increase was  in  lieu of  a           
        proposed  landing  fee  program,   which  would  have   cost           
        approximately 40 cents on the dollar to administer.                    
                                                                               
        Ms.  Ross provided  members  with "Projected  Revenue  Flow"           
        charts, used by the Department  of Transportation and Public           
        Facilities to justify the 1994 tax hike (copy on file).  She           
        maintained that the charts further  depict the "tie" between           
        aviation  fuel  taxes  and  rural  airport  maintenance  and           
        operations budgets.                                                    
                                                                               
        Ms. Ross observed arguments that HB  63 will create a "level           
        playing field".   She questioned if the  playing field needs           
        to be leveled.   She asserted that the cost to  ship foreign           
        fuel to Anchorage offsets any tax advantage.  She noted that           
        fuel weighs 6-7 pounds per gallon.                                     
                                                                               
        Ms. Ross asked:  "What happens if a refinery in Saudi Arabia           
        develops a new process that enables it to refine fuel 5  per           
        gallon cheaper than MAPCO can?  How do we again re-level the           
        playing field for MAPCO?"                                              
                                                                               
        Ms. Ross quoted  a MAPCO  press release  to demonstrate  the           
        company's soundness:  "MAPCO Reports All-Time  Record Fourth           
        Quarter and  Annual EPS  From Continuing  Operations."   She           
        observed that MAPCO reported a  record year, increased sales           
        volumes at  both the Memphis  and Alaska refineries,  and an           
        annual operating profit of $63.9 million dollars for 1996.             
                                                                               
        Ms. Ross disputed statements  by Deputy Commissioner  Parkan           
        that  competition from Vancouver,  Seattle, Portland and the           
        Russian Far East  make it  necessary for  Alaska to  develop           
                                                                               
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        incentives  to  retain   and  attract  international   cargo           
        carriers.  She  observed that each additional  air mile adds           
        to  the  fuel  and  operating  costs  of  the  airplane  and           
        displaces  cargo at  20  to $1  per pound.   She stated that           
        "compared to these additional  costs, a 3.2  per gallon  tax           
        giveaway is insignificant."                                            
                                                                               
        Co-Chair Therriault responded to comments  made by Ms. Ross.           
        He observed that  the legislation would not  impact attempts           
        by the Majority to reduce the budget by $60 million dollars.           
        He  observed  that  there  will  be  a  $60  million  dollar           
        reduction in spending.  The legislation impacts revenues not           
        spending.                                                              
                                                                               
        Co-Chair  Therriault observed  that  the  fiscal  impact  is           
        approximately $2.8 million dollars.   Ms. Ross estimated the           
        impact  at  $4  - $5  million  dollars.    He observed  that           
        legislation has not  been introduced to raise  landing fees.           
        He did not  anticipate that legislation would  be introduced           
        to raise landing fees.                                                 
                                                                               
        In response  to comments  by Ms.  Ross, Co-Chair  Therriault           
        stated that it is  not appropriate for the State  to "level"           
        the playing field when  the playing field is in  the private           
        sector.  He maintained that it  is appropriate for the State           
        to  level   the  playing  field   when  there  is   a  state           
        governmental imposed tax,  that is only imposed  on in-state           
        refineries.                                                            
                                                                               
        Co-Chair  Therriault referred to  Ms. Ross' testimony before           
        the House Transportation Committee on 1/24/97:                         
                                                                               
             "We  sympathize   with  Alaska's  oil   refineries  and           
             understand that  they are  struggling  to compete  with           
             fuel suppliers that take advantage of loopholes written           
             into the Foreign Trade Zone (FTZ) rule book.  But let's           
             fix the problem, not massage the symptoms."                       
                                                                               
        Co-Chair Therriault  observed that  Ms. Ross  felt that  the           
        Department  of   Revenue  should   be  more   aggressive  in           
        collecting the tax  and indicated that consumers  should sue           
        the State if they thought the tax was incorrectly collected.           
        He  quoted  from a  letter to  Co-Chair Hanley  from Deborah           
        Vogt, Department of Revenue:                                           
                                                                               
             "I'm  confident that  the  conclusions reached  by  our           
             staff are correct, and that  we must continue to exempt           
             fuel used in foreign commerce  that is run through  the           
             FTZ."                                                             
                                                                               
        Co-Chair Therriault added that Jack Chenoweth,  Alaska Legal           
        Services stated that:                                                  
                                                                               
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             "I conclude that it is more probable than not, that the           
             Federal  Court, using  preemption  analysis, would  not           
             hesitate to invalidate a state tax, such as that excise           
             tax on jet  fuel.   For that reason,  I would  conclude           
             that the Department  of Revenue presents  the position,           
             that more likely  than not, would  be sustained by  the           
             Court, if the questions were eventually litigated."               
                                                                               
        Co-Chair Therriault summarized  that the State would  not be           
        able to collect  the tax.  He  pointed out that MAPCO  had a           
        good year based  on strong  margins in  the mid  South.   He           
        observed that  MAPCO's press  release did  not say  anything           
        about strong  margins for  the refinery  in  Fairbanks.   He           
        maintained that the  jet fuel market is  pretty competitive.           
        He  stated  that  the solution  of  collecting  the tax  and           
        litigating appears to be a "legal looser" for the State.  He           
        noted that the  tax was collected, deposited in  the General           
        Fund and spent on rural airports.                                      
                                                                               
        Representative  Martin  noted that  there are  no guarantees           
        that a bill will not be introduced to increase landing fees.           
                                                                               
                                                                               
        Co-Chair  Therriault reiterated  that  tax collection  as  a           
        solution has been exhausted.  He observed that every unit of           
        production,  jet fuel or  gasoline, has a  certain amount of           
        fixed  cost.  He maintained  that if the increase production           
        of  jet  fuel is  discouraged then  the  fixed cost  will be           
        shifted to gasoline over heating oil.                                  
                                                                               
        In  response   to  a  question   by  Representative  Martin,           
        Representative  Davies clarified  that  the Alaska  Railroad           
        charges for hauling fuel.                                              
                                                                               
        Representative  Grussendorf  asked   if  the  Department  of           
        Transportation and Public Facilities can demonstrate that no           
        linkage exists.                                                        
                                                                               
        KURT    PARKAN,    DEPUTY   COMMISSIONER,    DEPARTMENT   OF           
        TRANSPORTATION AND PUBLIC  FACILITIES stated that  the proof           
        that there is no functional linkage between fuel tax and the           
        Department's  budget  is  contained in  the  proposed  FY 98           
        operation  budget short-form.  He observed  that there is no           
        reference to the tax as a fund source.  He acknowledged that           
        there is a perceived  connection based on the fact  that the           
        money goes  into the  General Fund  and the  legislature may           
        expend money from that for airports.                                   
                                                                               
        In  response  to a  question  by Representative  Davies, Mr.           
        Parkan estimated that approximately $20 million  dollars was           
        spent on rural airports.                                               
                                                                               
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        Co-Chair  Therriault  pointed out  that  the tax  impact has           
        dropped.                                                               
                                                                               
        BILL  SCHOEPHOESTER,  DIRECTOR,  ALASKA  STATE  CHAMBER   OF           
        COMMERCE testified in support of HB  63.  He maintained that           
        the  legislation  will  fix  a  problem that  gives  foreign           
        businesses  an   advantage  over  Alaskan  businesses.    He           
        observed  that   Foreign   Trade  Zones   (FTZ)  have   been           
        established to  encourage value-added  processing in  Alaska           
        for items bound for foreign destinations.  There are several           
        FTZ locations in Alaska, including  Anchorage.  During 1996,           
        several loads  of foreign  refined  jet fuel  came into  the           
        Anchorage  Airport  fueling system  for  use under  the FTZ.           
        Because of  its foreign  status, this  fuel was  exempt from           
        state  fuel taxes, allowing it to be  sold at a lower price.           
        He maintained that in-state refiners  are at a disadvantage.           
        Tax-free foreign  jet  fuel can  be  sold in  any FTZ.    He           
        asserted  that  the  objective  in  promoting  international           
        flights in Alaska is to promote Alaskan business.                      
                                                                               
        Representative Martin noted that refineries receive a credit           
        for  gasohol.   He  observed  that  Anchorage  is  the  only           
        community that uses gasohol year-around.                               
                                                                               
        Mr. Schoephoester stated that the  State Chamber of Commerce           
        looks at HB 63  as a fix to  unequal taxation of  businesses           
        competing  in  the  same  market.     Representative  Martin           
        responded that  MAPCO receives  a lot  of state  subsidizes.           
        Mr. Schoephoester stressed that he  supports FTZ's when they           
        are used for value-added products.  He maintained that there           
        is no value-added product.   He asserted that a  loophole in           
        the FTZ provision is being used to gain a tax advantage.               
                                                                               
        In  response  to  comments  by  Representative  Martin,  Mr.           
        Schoephoester observed  that the  State of  Alaska does  not           
        produce enough jet  fuel to fill  its needs.  He  reiterated           
        that there  are two different  groups competing in  the same           
        market, selling the same product  to the same customer,  one           
        is taxed and one is not taxed.                                         
                                                                               
        Co-Chair Therriault observed that the motoring public in the           
        State of Alaska, except  for those in Anchorage, pays  a tax           
        to help  support  the  road  network.   He  emphasized  that           
        Anchorage is not being asked to pay a new tax.  Anchorage is           
        only being asked  to pay the same  tax that the rest  of the           
        state pays, "not a penny more and not a penny less, just the           
        same tax."                                                             
                                                                               
        HB 63 was HELD in Committee for further consideration.                 
        HOUSE BILL NO. 113                                                     
                                                                               
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             "An Act extending  lapse dates  for certain prior  year           
             appropriations;  making   supplemental,  capital,   and           
             special appropriations; and providing  for an effective           
             date."                                                            
                                                                               
        ANNALEE  MCCONNELL,  DIRECTOR,  OFFICE   OF  MANAGEMENT  AND           
        BUDGET,  OFFICE  OF  THE GOVERNOR  provided  members  with a           
        summary of proposed changes (copy on file).  She referred to           
        the  RPL process.   She  observed that  the  legislative and           
        administrative  branches have  initiated  reforms to  reduce           
        federal  and  program  receipts  in   an  attempt  to  match           
        authorization to actual expenditures.  She cautioned that as           
        authorization   for  program   and   federal  receipts   are           
        tightened; that agencies  will have  less flexibility to  go           
        forward with new items  during the year.  She noted that the           
        Administration is holding federal  funds for distribution to           
        school districts.   The  funds cannot  be distributed  until           
        authority is granted.  She  stressed that the Administration           
        is willing to come to  some comfortable accommodation on how           
        to handle mid-year adjustments.                                        
                                                                               
        Ms. McConnell referred  to appropriations for the  Office of           
        Public  Advocacy, the  Public Defender  Agency and  leasing.           
        She observed that the Legislature indicated that these items           
        should  not  receive the  full  year's funding.   Shortfalls           
        would be augmented  through the supplemental.   Accordingly,           
        the full amount projected for these budgets was not included           
        in the proposed FY  98 operating budget.  She  observed that           
        FY 98  supplemental estimates  reflect this  approach.   She           
        cautioned that,  if the FY 97 supplemental  is only approved           
        at  the proposed  FY 98  operating budget level,  that there           
        will be a shortfall.                                                   
                                                                               
        Ms.  McConnell  observed  that  the  supplemental   contains           
        requests   for    several   capital   projects    that   the           
        Administration feels are urgent.  She stressed that if these           
        projects are not  included in the supplemental  they need to           
        be included in the FY 98 capital budget.                               
                                                                               
        Ms. McConnell  noted that  there is  a supplemental  request           
        reflecting  increased  applicants  for  the  Permanent  Fund           
        Dividend  program.     She observed  that the  Public Safety           
        Training Academy  facility has been  a high priority  of the           
        Department's.    Sitka  will be  involved  in  financing the           
        project.  She observed that the  project will be funded with           
        Alaska  Housing Finance  Corporation  (AHFC) receipts  ($2.1           
        million dollars) that were not used in FY 97.                          
                                                                               
        DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY                                            
                                                                               
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             Lapse  dates for Village  Public Safety Officers (VPSO)           
             contracts                                                         
                                                                               
        KENNETH   BISCHOFF,   DIRECTOR,   DIRECTOR,    DIVISION   OF           
        ADMINISTRATIVE   SERVICES,   DEPARTMENT  OF   PUBLIC  SAFETY           
        explained that this request would provide a management tool,           
        to manage contracts with Native non-profits.  Funds would be           
        used  in  the following  fiscal  year  to  fill vacant  VPSO           
        positions.  The  goal of  the Administration is  to fill  as           
        many positions as necessary.  The carry-forward is estimated           
        at $200 - $250 thousand dollars.                                       
                                                                               
        Co-Chair Therriault questioned  why the funds were  not used           
        in the previous fiscal year.  Mr. Bischoff observed that the           
        Department does not  generally lapse  very much  money.   He           
        stressed that, toward the end of the year, position turnover           
        and the inability to fill positions result in carry-forward.           
        He clarified that  the $300 thousand dollar increment in the           
        Governor's proposed FY 98 budget would fill 7 - 8 vacancies.           
        The carry-forward would allow 10 vacancies to be filled.               
                                                                               
        Co-Chair Therriault  expressed frustration  with the  public           
        perception that  the Legislature  is not  adequately funding           
        public safety.  He noted that there is an excess in the VSPO           
        program.  He observed that  the Legislature authorized extra           
        troopers in FY 97.  He pointed out that some of the troopers           
        authorized by the Legislature have not been hired.                     
                                                                               
        MISCELLANEOUS                                                          
                                                                               
        Section 12                                                             
                                                                               
             AKSAS Cleanup                                                     
                                                                               
        DAN  SPENCER,  SENIOR  ANALYST,  OFFICE  OF  MANAGEMENT  AND           
        BUDGET, OFFICE OF  THE GOVERNOR explained that Section 12 is           
        a technical request  that does  not require an  expenditure.           
        He reviewed some of the transactions.  Co-Chair Hanley noted           
        that the Governor has submitted an amended request for  this           
        section.                                                               
                                                                               
        DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE                                                  
                                                                               
        Section 12                                                             
                                                                               
             $31 thousand dollars     -    Treasury Management                 
                                                                               
        ROSS  KINNEY,  DEPUTY  COMMISSIONER,  DEPARTMENT OF  REVENUE           
        observed  that  the   request  would  be  utilized   to  pay           
        management fees on equity investments for the Constitutional           
        Budget Reserve Fund (CBR).  He observed that the Legislature           
                                                                               
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        approved legislation directing the Department to look at the           
        asset  allocation of the  Constitutional Budget Reserve Fund           
        in  order  to increase  the expected  rate  of return.   The           
        legislation also  gave the Commissioner  the opportunity  to           
        determine if the  asset allocation should be  transferred to           
        the  Permanent   Fund  for   investment.     No  money   was           
        appropriated to pay equity  management fees.  He  noted that           
        26 percent of  the total portfolio  would be invested.   The           
        equity investment management  fees would be one  basis point           
        of the total  portfolio under management.   This equates  to           
        one one-hundredths of a percent.  He maintained that this is           
        a reasonable fee.  He noted that  the cost of the management           
        fee could be reduced by $6  thousand dollars per month while           
        "we wait".  He added that: "If the Legislature is willing to           
        approve the  funds to meet  that asset allocation,  invest a           
        portion of equities in FY 97, we  will be coming back to the           
        Legislature  with  a request  to our  FY  98 budget,  in the           
        amount of $100 thousand dollars to continue those management           
        fees for a full fiscal year."                                          
                                                                               
                                                                               
        In  response to  a question by  Co-Chair Hanley,  Mr. Kinney           
        clarified that  the Administration would like to see a long-           
        range  plan.   He  asked  the  Legislature to  agree  to the           
        concept of long-term  investment and put  a portion of  this           
        money into equities.                                                   
                                                                               
        Co-Chair  Hanley  stated  that he  would  have  expected the           
        Administration to include this money in its FY 98 budget.              
                                                                               
        Mr. Kinney noted that other  legislation has been introduced           
        that would allocate  a portion of the  Constitutional Budget           
        Reserve Fund for other purposes.   Should one of these bills           
        pass  it  would  have  an  impact   on  the  proposed  asset           
        allocation.                                                            
                                                                               
        Representative Davies  questioned  how much  money could  be           
        earned based on the  change.  Mr. Kinney estimated  that the           
        expected rate of  return, on  the total CBR,  would be  7.19           
        percent over-time.  The current rate of return  is 6.26.  He           
        observed  that  the Constitutional  Budget  Reserve Fund  is           
        expected to  be over $3  billion dollars by  the end of  the           
        year.                                                                  
                                                                               
        Representative Davies asked  why the  management fee is  not           
        taken out of  the Constitutional Budget  Reserve Fund.   Mr.           
        Kinney explained  that the management  fee was taken  out of           
        the CBR prior to FY 97.   Since FY 97, fees have been  taken           
        out of the  General Fund.   Co-Chair Hanley observed that  a           
        three-quarter vote  is needed to appropriate management fees           
        from the Fund.  He  explained that there was concern that  a           
        transfer  of expenses,  off  budget,  to the  Constitutional           
                                                                               
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        Budget Reserve Fund, would create the illusion that spending           
        was reduced.                                                           
                                                                               
        Representative   Davies   asserted   that    there   is   no           
        appropriation from the  Fund that would be  more appropriate           
        than management of the Fund.                                           
                                                                               
        Co-Chair  Hanley   emphasized  that  the  request  will  not           
        displace anything.                                                     
                                                                               
        Co-Chair  Therriault pointed  out  that the  management  fee           
        would  have  to  be  repaid   if  the  sweep  provision   is           
        implemented.                                                           
                                                                               
        DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AND PUBLIC FACILITIES                     
                                                                               
        Section 13                                                             
                                                                               
             $391.4 thousand dollars  -    Alaska   Marine   Highway           
        System                                                                 
                                                                               
        NANCY SLAGLE, DIRECTOR, ADMINISTRATIVE  SERVICES, DEPARTMENT           
        OF  TRANSPORTATION AND PUBLIC  FACILITIES explained that the           
        request would  pay for increased  fuel costs.   She observed           
        that the Alaska Marine  Highway System is dependent  on fuel           
        costs.  She stated that Southeast ferry operations require 7           
        million  gallons annually.  The FY 97  budget was based on a           
        .74 cents  per gallon fuel cost.   The current price  is .85           
        cents per gallon.                                                      
                                                                               
        Co-Chair Therriault asked if money  appropriated for fuel is           
        ever lapsed.  Ms. Slagle stated that authority is lapsed.              
                                                                               
        BRENDA  MARKEY, SECTION CHIEF, ALASKA MARINE HIGHWAY SYSTEM,           
        DEPARTMENT OF  TRANSPORTATION AND  PUBLIC FACILITIES  agreed           
        that authorization is  lapsed.   She discussed factors  that           
        create  unforeseen  expenses.   She  noted that  fuel prices           
        fluctuate within fueling locations.  Fuel bought in Sitka is           
        twice as expensive as fuel bought in Bellingham.                       
                                                                               
        Co-Chair Hanley noted that fall  revenues were $800 thousand           
        dollars over what  was estimated for  FY 97.  He  questioned           
        why this money does not offset the increased fuel cost.  Ms.           
        Markey observed that, in FY 96, there was a significant loss           
        in revenues due to the threatened strike.  She observed that           
        the  threat of a strike has  begun to affect FY 97 revenues.           
        Some reservations have been cancelled.                                 
                                                                               
        Co-Chair  Hanley  emphasized that  the  supplemental  is not           
        intended to offset budget reductions.                                  
                                                                               
        Ms. Slagle noted that "Fund" needed to be added on line 5.             
                                                                               
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        (Tape Change, HFC 97-57, Side 1)                                       
                                                                               
        GOVERNOR'S AMENDMENTS                                                  
                                                                               
        The Office of  the Governor provided members  with amendment           
        requests to be included  in HB 113.  Requests  for amendment           
        were contained in memorandums from  the Office of Management           
        and Budget to  the House Finance Committee  Co-Chairs, dated           
        2/27/97, 3/5/97, 3/7/97 and 3/11/97 (copies on file).                  
                                                                               
        AMENDMENT REQUESTS IN THE FEBRUARY 27, 1997, MEMORANDUM                
                                                                               
        DEPARTMENT OF FISH AND GAME                                            
                                                                               
        Mr. Spencer  observed  that the  Governor's amendment  would           
        appropriate $115 thousand dollars to  the Department of Fish           
        and Game for representation by the Department of Law.                  
                                                                               
        Section 8                                                              
                                                                               
        Mr.  Spencer  noted miscellaneous claims  in section 8  were           
        up-dated.                                                              
                                                                               
        Section 11                                                             
                                                                               
        Mr. Spencer observed  that ratifications in section  11 were           
        amended.                                                               
                                                                               
        AMENDMENT REQUESTS IN THE MARCH 5, 1997, MEMORANDUM                    
                                                                               
        DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT                        
                                                                               
        GUY BELL, DIRECTOR,  ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES, DEPARTMENT  OF           
        COMMERCE AND ECONOMIC  DEVELOPMENT observed  that a  request           
        for a  new section  was contained in  the memorandum,  dated           
        3/5/97.   This  request would  add $60  thousand  dollars to           
        coordinate  response  to  the  Southeast  Alaska  pulp  mill           
        closures.  He  observed that one person would be  hired as a           
        point  person  in  Ketchikan.     The  request  would  cover           
        personnel cost through the end of  the year and basic office           
        expenses and travel costs.  There is $15 thousand dollars to           
        contract for targeted technical  assistance to small  timber           
        businesses in the impacted communities.                                
                                                                               
        Co-Chair Hanley noted that the  Legislative Budget and Audit           
        Committee granted a RPL  for $55 thousand dollars to  fund a           
        community involvement plan.   He asked for  more information           
        on the RPL.  Mr. Bell did not know how the RPL was used.               
                                                                               
        DEPARTMENT OF LAW                                                      
                                                                               
                                                                               
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        Co-Chair  Hanley noted  that there  is a  request  to delete           
        section 6(a), which  informs the  Legislature that funds  to           
        the Department of Law were encumbered.    He stated  that he           
        would prefer to leave section  6(a) in HB 113.   Mr. Spencer           
        noted that most of the encumbered funds had been spent.                
                                                                               
        Co-Chair  Hanley  observed that  the Governor  has requested           
        three  additional  subsections in  section  6.   Mr. Spencer           
        explained that 6(c)  - (e) would shift general  fund program           
        receipts  to general  fund  match  in the  Medicaid/Provider           
        Fraud appropriation.                                                   
                                                                               
        Co-Chair Hanley observed that there was an anticipation that           
        funding  spent  on fraud  investigation  would result  in an           
        offset of payments.  Mr. Spencer emphasized that the request           
        would leverage federal  receipts.  Co-Chair Hanley  asked if           
        anticipated savings materialized.                                      
                                                                               
        DEPARTMENT OF MILITARY AND VETERANS AFFAIRS                            
                                                                               
        Section 7                                                              
                                                                               
        Mr. Spencer  noted that  the request  would provide  receipt           
        authority  for $17.2  thousand  dollars  in flood  insurance           
        premiums.  Co-Chair Hanley noted that  the premium has to be           
        administered through the Department.                                   
                                                                               
        Representative Martin noted that the  Legislature approved a           
        $2.5 million dollar appropriation to  assist in fire relief.           
                                                                               
                                                                               
        NICO  BUS,  ACTING  DIRECTOR,  DIVISION  OF   ADMINISTRATIVE           
        SERVICES,  DEPARTMENT  OF  NATURAL RESOURCES  observed  that           
        premiums are good  for three  years.  There  are 86  persons           
        applying for the coverage.                                             
                                                                               
        DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AND PUBLIC FACILITIES                     
                                                                               
        Section 13                                                             
                                                                               
        NANCY SLAGLE, DIRECTOR, ADMINISTRATIVE  SERVICES, DEPARTMENT           
        OF TRANSPORTATION AND  PUBLIC FACILITIES  observed that  the           
        Governor has requested  an amendment to add  $444.5 thousand           
        dollars  to  the  Department  of  Transportation and  Public           
        Facilities for  implementation of  the Copper  River Highway           
        Consent Decree.   She observed that $40 thousand dollars was           
        included in the  FY 96 supplemental request  to pay attorney           
        fees.    She explained  that if  the  Consent Decree  is not           
        complied  with,  the  State  can  be fined  $1,000  thousand           
        dollars a day.  She observed that the request would fund:              
                                                                               
             *    Restoration  plan  development  -  $43.5  thousand           
                                                                               
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                  dollars                                                      
                                                                               
             *    Restoration project - $170 thousand dollars                  
                                                                               
             *    Historic issues - $201 thousand dollars                      
                                                                               
             *    Training - $30 thousand dollars                              
                                                                               
        In response  to a  question by Co-Chair  Hanley, Ms.  Slagle           
        observed  that the  request was  not funded  in FY 97.   She           
        noted  that the  Department  has implemented  public service           
        announcements at little cost.  She stressed that the request           
        is  needed to  stay within the  requirements of  the Consent           
        Decree.    She   added  that   $400  thousand  dollars   for           
        environmental issues was not included in this request.  This           
        amount will be requested prior to September, 1998.                     
                                                                               
        CRAIG TILLERY, ASSISTANT ATTORNEY GENERAL, DEPARTMENT OF LAW           
        testified via the teleconference network.  He explained that           
        the Legislature did  not fund the  request in FY 97  because           
        restoration requirements did  not need  to be complied  with           
        until fall 1997.   He added that the cost  has been reduced.           
        Some of the  items that  were to  be restored  do not  exist           
        anymore, due to movement of the Copper River.                          
                                                                               
        Mr. Tillery  clarified that  the Administration  entered the           
        Consent Decree because it felt  that the litigation exposure           
        was in excess of the amount that the State would be required           
        to  pay  under  the  Consent   Decree.    He  observed  that           
        negotiations  eliminated  requirements  for  restoration  of           
        projects on the southern end of the road.  He explained that           
        the issue began in 1991 when the rail bed was converted into           
        a road.                                                                
                                                                               
        Mr. Tillery observed that  the State would go back  to court           
        if the Legislature fails to provide funding to carry out the           
        Consent  Decree.    The  State  could  be forced  to  pay  a           
        substantially  greater  amount.   He  added  that  under the           
        Consent Decree funding would remain in the  State of Alaska.           
        If  the issue is  settled in court  the State  would pay the           
        federal  government  and  funding would  not  remain  in the           
        State.                                                                 
                                                                               
        Mr.  Tillery  noted  that  $450  thousand  dollars  will  be           
        required for future projects.  These are in addition to this           
        request.  He  discussed other projects  that the money  will           
        cover.    The  Trustees for  Alaska  introduced  the initial           
        lawsuit.  The state lawsuit was dismissed.                             
                                                                               
        GOVERNOR'S  AMENDMENTS  CONTAINED  IN  THE  MARCH  7,  1997,           
        MEMORANDUM                                                             
                                                                               
                                                                               
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        DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT                        
                                                                               
        Mr. Bell  noted  that the  Governor  has requested  that  $5           
        million  dollars be  appropriated  to the  Alaska  Aerospace           
        Development Corporation for the Kodiak Launch project.  This           
        request  was  originally  contained  in  the FY  98  capital           
        request.  The  transfer was requested to  allow construction           
        to begin, summer 1997.   The request would also  approve $18           
        million dollars in federal receipt  authority and $5 million           
        dollars in corporate  receipts.  He  added that the  request           
        would make authorization retroactive to  July 1, 1996.  This           
        would prevent the grant from having to be reissued.                    
                                                                               
        In response to  comments by Representative Martin,  Co-Chair           
        Hanley explained  that the  original intent  was that  there           
        would  be  $5 million  dollars from  the Alaska  Science and           
        Technology Foundation and up to $15 million dollars from the           
        Alaska Industrial  Development and Export  Authority (AIDEA)           
        as a loan.   He observed  that AIDEA is no  longer involved.           
        Senator  Stevens  was  able to  include  federal  funding to           
        replace the AIDEA portion.  Funding from  the Alaska Science           
        and Technology  Foundation is contingent on federal funding.           
                                                                               
                                                                               
        Mr. Bell noted that  there are federal commitments  from the           
        federal government  and NASA.   There is also  interest from           
        private industry.                                                      
                                                                               
        JAMIE KENNEWICK,  ALASKA SCIENCE  AND TECHNOLOGY  FOUNDATION           
        testified  via  the teleconference  network.   She  spoke in           
        support of the request.                                                
                                                                               
        RPL'S                                                                  
                                                                               
        The  3/7/97  memorandum  listed RPL's  for  approval  in the           
        supplemental.                                                          
                                                                               
        Co-Chair  Hanley  sent  at   letter  to  Annalee  McConnell,           
        Director, Office  of Management  and Budget,  Office of  the           
        Governor discussing RPL's which occur during the legislative           
        session.  He observed  that unless there is a  timing issue,           
        that  RPL's  should  be  considered  through  the  committee           
        process during the legislative session.                                
                                                                               
        In  response to a  question by Co-Chair  Hanley, Mr. Spencer           
        noted that federal  funds are available to be distributed to           
        the Department of Education.  He emphasized that there needs           
        to be more  discussion regarding  what constitutes the  need           
        for  immediate  action.    Co-Chair  Hanley  requested  more           
        information  to  determine when  action  must take  place on           
        available federal funds.  Mr.  Spencer noted that costs will           
        increase for the Council  of Domestic Violence if  their RPL           
                                                                               
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        is not approved.                                                       
                                                                               
        Co-Chair  Hanley noted  that  RPL  requests include  program           
        receipt authorization.  Mr. Spencer observed that the Alaska           
        State Museum received $30  thousand dollars in unanticipated           
        program  receipts.      He   reviewed   RPL   requests   for           
        authorization of program receipts.                                     
                                                                               
        (Tape Change, HFC 97-57, Side 2)                                       
                                                                               
        GOVERNOR'S  AMENDMENTS  CONTAINED  IN  THE  MARCH  7,  1997,           
        MEMORANDUM                                                             
                                                                               
        DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT                        
                                                                               
        Co-Chair Hanley reviewed the Governor's amendment request as           
        contained in a memorandum, dated 3/11/97.  He noted that the           
        amendment  contains  a  funding  request  for  $1.5  million           
        dollars to fund the Power Cost Equalization program.                   
                                                                               
        DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE                                                  
                                                                               
        The  amendment  also  included a  request  of  $3.35 million           
        dollars to be appropriated from the Earnings Reserve Account           
        to cover additional permanent fund dividend payments.  There           
        is a backlog of 700 cases in informal conferences.                     
                                                                               
        DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY                                            
                                                                               
        Co-Chair Hanley  observed  that the  Governor is  requesting           
        $2.104 million dollars in Alaska Housing Finance Corporation           
        (AHFC)  corporate  receipts  for  construction  of  a Public           
        Safety Training Academy in Sitka.  Mr. Spencer observed that           
        the corporate receipts  are available  from the  FY 97  AHFC           
        earnings.   He explained that $60  thousand dollars would be           
        reappropriated for the project.                                        
        Co-Chair  Hanley  thought  that all  of  the  AHFC corporate           
        receipts were appropriated.                                            
                                                                               
        Representative  Davis  pointed out  that  this item  was not           
        considered  in the Department of Public Safety Subcommittee.           
                                                                               
                                                                               
        Mr.  Bischoff stressed  that  the project  has  been on  the           
        Department's six-year plan  for several years.   He observed           
        this  was not the Department's  top priority.  He emphasized           
        that official agency approval was  needed before the project           
        could be brought  to the  Legislature.  He  stated that  the           
        project just received agency approval.  He observed that the           
        project originated in the last Administration.                         
                                                                               
        Co-Chair Hanley questioned  if the  $2.1 million dollars  in           
                                                                               
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        AHFC corporate receipts would lapse.   He stated that if the           
        money does not lapse  that it would be more  appropriate for           
        the project to be contained in the capital request.                    
                                                                               
        Mr. Spencer  stressed that  Sitka is  one  of the  Southeast           
        communities  that  experienced  adverse  affects  from  mill           
        closures.                                                              
                                                                               
        Representative  Grussendorf  pointed   out  that  the  Sitka           
        Academy building is 21 years old.   He emphasized that there           
        are more  women that  would like  to apply  at the  academy.           
        Only six to  ten women can attend  the academy at any  given           
        time.                                                                  
                                                                               
        HB 113 was HELD in Committee for further consideration.                
        ADJOURNMENT                                                            
                                                                               
        The meeting adjourned at 4:06 p.m.                                     
                                                                               
                                                                               
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